Lean Blog Interviews - Healthcare, Manufacturing, Business, and Leadership
Started in 2006, the ”Lean Blog Interviews” podcast, hosted by Mark Graban, brings you conversations with leading experts, authors, and thought leaders in lean manufacturing and management. As a Lean practitioner, consultant, and author, Mark Graban offers deep insights, real-world experiences, and practical tips for implementing and enhancing Lean practices across various industries. The Podcast Experience Mark Graban engages his guests in a conversational format, covering a wide array of topics related to Lean. Guests come from diverse backgrounds, including healthcare, manufacturing, and service industries, sharing their unique experiences and perspectives on Lean implementation. Core Topics Lean Principles and History: Dive into the foundational aspects of Lean, its history, and core principles. Industry Applications: Explore how Lean is applied in different industries, such as healthcare, manufacturing, and startups. Continuous Improvement: Learn about value stream mapping, process improvement, and culture change. Leadership and Management Systems: Gain insights into the Toyota Production System and related methodologies, focusing on Lean as a culture, philosophy, and management system rather than just a set of tools. Unique Features Focus on Healthcare: Mark Graban, a renowned advocate for Lean in healthcare, frequently features experts who discuss patient safety, quality improvement, and waste reduction in healthcare settings. Hear success stories and practical advice on implementing Lean in hospitals, clinics, and other healthcare organizations. Practical Advice and Real-World Examples: Guests share their experiences and insights into what works and what doesn’t in Lean implementation. Overcome common challenges and get inspired by success stories. Inclusivity and Diversity: The podcast features a range of guests from diverse backgrounds, enriching discussions and providing a comprehensive understanding of Lean’s challenges and opportunities. While we don’t talk much about Lean Six Sigma, we hope the podcast is helpful to you anyway. Why Listen? Whether you’re new to Lean or a seasoned practitioner, the ”Lean Blog Interviews” podcast is a valuable resource offering insights, tips, and inspiration for improving your organization’s performance and achieving Lean goals. With its engaging format, practical advice, and diverse range of guests, this podcast is essential for anyone interested in continuous improvement and operational excellence. Connect and Explore More Visit the blog at www.leanblog.org. For feedback, email mark@leanblog.org. Access all past episodes, show notes, and more at www.leancast.org. Subscribe to the ”Lean Blog Interviews” podcast today and join the journey toward Lean mastery and continuous improvement.
Episodes

Tuesday Jun 15, 2021
Tuesday Jun 15, 2021
C.I. manager and pharmacy system director, Munson Healthcare
Show notes: https://www.leanblog.org/418
My guests for Episode #418 of the Lean Blog Interviews Podcast both work for Munson Healthcare in northern Michigan. They are Kaleb Foss, Continuous Improvement department manager, and Butch Bowlby, the system director of Pharmacy.
In this episode, we'll hear about their “Lean origin stories” and we'll hear about the approach to Lean and continuous improvement at Munson. We'll also take a fairly deep dive into the setup of their mass vaccination site (which they set up for employees with just six days' notice!).
Topics, questions, and links related to today's episode include:
Tell us a little about Munson Healthcare
What are your Lean origin stories? How did you get exposed to Lean and why is it important to you?
How would describe the approach to Lean or CI at Munson?
What does that idea of transformation and a management / operating system mean to you, Butch?
How would you describe some of the benefits or results that you've seen at Munson Healthcare?
Cultural indicators & language, root cause
Patient safety
Staff safety, psychological safety
Tell us about the challenge of setting up mass vaccination clinics
Looking at Zero Waste vs. Zero Harm goals
Why was standard work and evolving that SW so important?
Why and how has that focus shifted away from mass sites? What have you done to design a process for that?
Why and how has the focus shifted away from mass sites? What have you done to design a process for that?
What comes next for you and Munson??
The podcast is sponsored by Stiles Associates, now in their 30th year of business. They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity, and healthcare industries. Learn more.
This podcast is part of the #LeanCommunicators network.

Tuesday Jun 08, 2021
Tuesday Jun 08, 2021
MD, author, Kenagy & Associates
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Show notes: https://www.leanblog.org/417
My guest for Episode #417 of the Lean Blog Interviews Podcast is John W. Kenagy, MD, MPA, ScD, FACS, of his firm Kenagy & Associates based in Washington state.
John is the author of the book Designed to Adapt: Leading Healthcare in Challenging Times.
Dr. John Kenagy knows healthcare as a physician, executive, academic researcher and advisor. In addition to his clinical experience as a vascular surgeon, he has been Chief of Surgery, Chief of Staff and Regional Vice President for Business Development in a not-for-profit healthcare system. But, his most meaningful experience was becoming a patient, as we'll hear about today.
Searching for new answers, he became a Visiting Scholar at Harvard Business School. His research included developing disruptive innovation healthcare strategy with Harvard Professor Clayton Christensen and translating to healthcare the drivers of success in resilient, highly adaptive companies like Toyota, Intel and Apple.
Dr. Kenagy is hosting a webinar in the KaiNexus Continuous Improvement webinar series on June 15th. Please join us for that by registering here.
Topics, questions, and links related to today's episode include:
What's your Lean / Toyota Production System “origin story”?
What he learned after falling out of a tree in 1982
What he learned from Clayton Christensen, Kent Bowen & Steve Spear at HBS
“Toyota enables people to succeed & makes learning part of that success”
4 Rules in Use – the essence of TPS
Spear: Decoding the DNA of the Toyota Production System
The rules applied in HC? What did you learn?
Learned also from Amy Edmondson at HBS
Learned from Toyota's Mr. Oba
“Education can get in the way of learning”
Learned at a smaller TMMK supplier, not at Georgetown, only 120 employees
What is “adaptive design”? Origins of that phrase?
Why avoid the word “Lean”?
Being adaptive in dealing with pandemic challenges — what are the characteristics of their success?
Leadership Kata — 5 principles
1) Clear, meaningful objective (hearts & minds)
2) always start small, simple, safe, and fast
3) use relevant (timely, role specific, actionable) info and simple rules, rapid feedback on effects on your action
4) improvements made by teams involving people doing the work
5) replicate and scale, success trust and optimism … never stop
What do you mean by “virtuoso leadership”?
The podcast is sponsored by Stiles Associates, now in their 30th year of business. They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity, and healthcare industries. Learn more.
This podcast is part of the #LeanCommunicators network.

Wednesday Jun 02, 2021
Brad Jeavons on How to Remotely Deploy Lean and Agile (Outside of Manufacturing)
Wednesday Jun 02, 2021
Wednesday Jun 02, 2021
Apologies for the initial editing error... re-releasing this episode.
Author of Agile Sales: Delivering Customer Journeys of Value and Delight
Show notes and links: https://www.leanblog.org/416
My guest for Episode #416, joining us from Brisbane, Australia, is Brad Jeavons, a principal consultant with SA Partners. His colleague Peter Hines was a guest in Episode #373.
Brad is the author of the book Agile Sales: Delivering Customer Journeys of Value and Delight.
Brad is also the host of The Enterprise Excellence podcast and I was his guest on Episode #20 of that series. You can also find the episode (and more) on YouTube.
Topics, questions, and links related to today's episode include:
How did you get introduced to Lean? And to Agile?
What does growing up on a small farm have to do with it?
Connections between Toyota and farming
What do you mean by the McDonalds-ization of Lean and what problems does that cause?
What's the story behind your book?
Key lessons about improvement work for remote workplaces? Lessons from the last year?
Why is it so important to focus on purpose? To start with why?
What are some of your key lessons related to People? Agile?
What are some of your lessons about focusing on Process?
Your perspective on Lean as a GM as opposed to being a “staff lean guy”?
The podcast is sponsored by Stiles Associates, now in their 30th year of business. They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity, and healthcare industries. Learn more.
This podcast is part of the #LeanCommunicators network.

Tuesday May 25, 2021
Tracy O'Rourke on Vaccinations, Lean Six Sigma in Government, and More
Tuesday May 25, 2021
Tuesday May 25, 2021
Co-founder of the Just-in-Time Cafe
Show notes: https://www.leanblog.org/415
My guest for Episode #415 of the Lean Blog Interviews podcast is Tracy O'Rourke. She is the co-author of The Problem-Solver's Toolkit: A Surprisingly Simple Guide to Your Lean Six Sigma Journey. She is co-founder of the Just-in-Time Cafe (which producers podcasts, webinars, and more). She is also a self-described “process improvement ZEALOT!”
We had the chance to meet up to visit two vaccination sites in San Diego in March, and the two photos in the post are from that time together (as I blogged about here). That's one of the topics in this episode.
Topics, questions, and links related to today's episode include:
How did you get introduced to C.I. and what flavor(s)? How did you become a Zealot?
She is the Lead Instructor at UC San Diego for the Lean Six Sigma Green Belt (public offering)
Visiting the UCSD vaccination sites – University and health system
What we saw
Walking the process
Jerry Wright handed her the torch to be the SoCal Lean Network Chair
20 years in consulting, from industry to government, non-profit and education
Can you tell us about a specific example of some of the work you've done in government?
How do you know that it worked?
She's also part of the Lean Communicators Network

Tuesday May 18, 2021
Ryan Weiss on Purpose + People + Process = Performance; Modernizing TWI
Tuesday May 18, 2021
Tuesday May 18, 2021
President of Effective Performance Solutions
Show notes: https://www.leanblog.org/414
My guest for Episode #414 of the Lean Blog Interviews podcast is Ryan Weiss. He is president of his firm Effective Performance Strategies, based out of the Chicago area.
Topics, questions, and links related to today's episode include:
How did you get introduced to Lean?
Becoming a Certified Six Sigma Black Belt
How do you engage people? What was your epiphany on people?
Purpose + People + Process = Performance
Taxation without representation :: kaizen without participation
What is TWI?? How were you exposed to Training Within Industry?
Other podcasts on TWI from this series
Modernizing TWI — some sexist language /scenarios in the original
What happens when you're promoted as a leader?
Explaining WHY
It's not just about manufacturing?
The podcast is sponsored by Stiles Associates, now in their 30th year of business. They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity, and healthcare industries. Learn more.
This podcast is part of the #LeanCommunicators network.

Wednesday May 12, 2021
Samantha Riley on Making Data Count and Metrics for Healthcare and Beyond
Wednesday May 12, 2021
Wednesday May 12, 2021
NHS England, Author of "Making Data Count"
Notes and links: https://www.leanblog.org/413
My guest for Episode #413 of the Lean Blog Interviews podcast is Samantha Riley, the Deputy Director of Intensive Support for NHS England and Improvement. Sam is the author of an amazing publication called “Making Data Count,” which you can read and experience freely online.
Sam and I are “Twitter buddies,” as she said and I follow and enjoy her tweets, especially those using the hashtag #PlotTheDots. We are both users and teachers of (and advocates for) the use of Statistical Process Control charts (aka XmR Charts or Process Behavior Charts) as taught by the statistician Don Wheeler.
Topics, questions, and links related to today's episode include:
What's Sam's professional background and why it's OK that she's not a statistician
Why are RAG (Red Amber Green) charts or tables insufficient?
How do you have the conversation with boards, executives, and managers about RAG being insufficient?
How to bring people to the table for this learning?
Why are up/down comparisons and color coding leading to “knee jerk reactions”?
What is “spuddling“? Why is that a problem?
Spuddling: To make a lot of fuss about trivial things, as if it were important.
50% of boards have changed their approach — how has that come to be?
What language do you use about improving a predictable system?
How did you get exposed to Statistical Process Control?
What led to “Making Data Count“?
What was “the ham sandwich incident”?
How can we use these charts to look at our weight and health?
How to articulate the benefits of SPC?
Her article in BMJ Leader: National Health Service (NHS) trust boards adopt statistical process control reporting: the impact of the Making Data Count Training Programme
The podcast is sponsored by Stiles Associates, now in their 30th year of business. They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity, and healthcare industries. Learn more.
This podcast is part of the #LeanCommunicators network.

Tuesday May 04, 2021
MIT's Dr. Jonathan Byrnes on the Pandemic's Supply Chain Shocks
Tuesday May 04, 2021
Tuesday May 04, 2021
Senior Lecturer at MIT, author, entrepreneur
Show notes: https://www.leanblog.org/412
My guest for Episode #412 of the Lean Blog Interviews podcast is Dr. Jonathan Byrnes, the co-author of the new book Choose Your Customer: How to Compete Against the Digital Giants and Thrive. He is is a Senior Lecturer at MIT, where he has taught about supply chain management and other topics at the graduate level and in executive programs for over 30 years.
He is Chairman and Founder of Profit Isle, an innovative profit analytics and profit acceleration SaaS software company — AND is President of Jonathan Byrnes & Co., a focused consulting company that he founded in 1976. Dr. Byrnes earned a DBA from Harvard University in 1980, and an MBA from Columbia University in 1974.
Topics, questions, and links related to today's episode include:
Article: “How to Manage your Supply Chain Shock Waves“
May 2020 — what did you predict in that article and how did it play out?
The bullwhip effect
The MIT “Beer Game” or “Root Beer Game“
What can you do when there is variance in supply and variance in demand?
Lean as a system, including level loading and local suppliers, not just low inventory
Lean as “cycle time compression” that makes lower inventory possible
Today's glut of hand sanitizer
NY Times: Widespread Commodity Shortages Raise Inflation Fears
WSJ: Auto Makers Retreat From 50 Years of ‘Just in Time' Manufacturing
Mark's blog post about that
The podcast is sponsored by Stiles Associates, now in their 30th year of business. They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity, and healthcare industries. Learn more.
This podcast is part of the #LeanCommunicators network.

Tuesday Apr 27, 2021
Tuesday Apr 27, 2021
Crystal Y. Davis, Karyn Ross, Dorsey Sherman
Show notes: https://www.leanblog.org/411
My guests for Episode #411 are the co-founders or "founding mothers" of the group called "Women In Lean: Our Table." They are Crystal Davis, Karyn Ross, and Dorsey Sherman. Crystal was my guest back in episode 363 and Karyn was my guest in episode 266. Dorsey, welcome as a first-time guest!
All three of them were part of this panel discussion webinar that I moderated last year. Crystal's company is The Lean Coach, Inc., Karyn's is Karyn Ross Consulting, and Dorsey's is Modele Consulting.
Topics and questions in today's episode (and related links):
How did the Women in Lean group get started, and why?
Why do they (and many women) feel like they don't have "a seat at the table"?
Why can "creating your own table" be helpful?
How can women get involved?
What can we do about the lack of equal representation on stage at Lean conferences?
How can men be better allies for women in the Lean community?
The podcast is sponsored by Stiles Associates, now in their 30th year of business. They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity and healthcare industries. Learn more.
This podcast is part of the #LeanCommunicators network.

Wednesday Apr 21, 2021
Keith Champion on the Lucid (Motors) Production System
Wednesday Apr 21, 2021
Wednesday Apr 21, 2021
Senior Manager, Lucid - Formerly Toyota & Tesla
Show notes: https://www.leanblog.org/410
My guest for Episode #410 of the Lean Blog Interviews podcast is Keith Champion, Senior Manager ofOperational Excellence at Lucid Motors, a new entrant in the electric vehicle marketplace, with their Lucid Air luxury sedan hitting the market very soon.
Keith worked for Toyota for more than 17 years (thanks to fellow Toyota alum and previous podcast guest Tim Turner for making the connection). As Keith talks about in the episode, he started as a Team Member at Toyota Georgetown, progressing his career to Team Leader, Group Leader, and other roles. He then spent nine years working for Tesla Motors. Keith then joined Lucid in 2019 -- BTW, the CEO of Lucid, Peter Rawlinson, was previously Vice President of Vehicle Engineering at Tesla and Chief Engineer of the Model S.
Topics and questions in today's episode (and related links):
What's your Lean / TPS origin story? It sort of starts before Toyota
What happens when you "pull the andon cord" at Toyota?
How is Lucid trying to build the culture right the first time?
What is the leadership team like at Lucid?
Is there a management "philosophy" as Toyota might talk about?
What are the core values of Lucid Motors?
What's the biggest operations (and supply chain) challenge related to starting a new factory in Arizona?
How do you build for scalability?
How important is it to have "built in quality" for a luxury vehicle (or any car)?
What is an empowering continuous improvement program? Not just suggestions, but implement...
What are the five key goals and metrics that are used throughout the factory?
Lucid article (and video) about General Assembly
A look at the paint shop
The podcast is sponsored by Stiles Associates, now in their 30th year of business. They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity and healthcare industries. Learn more.
This podcast is part of the #LeanCommunicators network.

Monday Apr 12, 2021
Rituso Shingo on The Toyota Production System and SMED
Monday Apr 12, 2021
Monday Apr 12, 2021
40 years with Toyota, founder and the first president of Toyota China.
Show notes: https://www.leanblog.org/409
My guest for Episode #409 of the Lean Blog Interviews podcast is Ritsuo Shingo. I first met Mr. Shingo at the Shingo Institute Annual Conference in 2009 when my book Lean Hospitals received the publication prize that's named after his father, Shigeo Shingo. I was also blessed to have time to speak 1x1 with Mr. Shingo, thanks to our mutual friend, the late Norman Bodek, which included discussions about the need for mistake proofing in healthcare -- very vivid memories for me.
Ritsuo Shingo is an expert in leadership with more than 40 years of experience serving at top management positions at Toyota.
He was the founder and the first president of Toyota China. Under his leadership, Toyota China became one of the most successful ventures of Toyota worldwide. Following this success, he was appointed as the president of Hino Motors and then served as the president of GAC-Hino until 2009.
Shingo was the translator of the first book on Toyota Production System in English written by his father, TPS pioneer, Shigeo Shingo in 1976. He applied his father's and other TPS pioneers' teachings into his management practices.
Today he dedicates his time to coaching high-level executives as well as teaching the next generation of leaders his learnings from the practice of Toyota style management. He is teaching a virtual master class in leadership and management, which starts this Thursday:
Practical Leadership Skills – Microcertification program in Management
There will be a discount available for listeners of this podcast - use code 8QQV4AWY0VDF and tell them you heard about it via the Lean Blog Podcast. Disclosure: the NK Institute for Human Advancement offered me a free virtual seat in the workshop.
Topics and questions in today's episode include:
What was the most important thing you learn from your father?
What do you remember about translating the green book?
Big misunderstanding… in the West, they thought suppliers should keep big inventory even though Toyota had none
Just in time requires local suppliers, frequent deliveries, and high quality
You need close relationships with suppliers, win/win collaboration
How do you explain TPS?
“An accumulation of small improvements”
“Wherever you go, workers are not the problem”
“It's a management problem, but sometimes they blame workers”
He told a plant manager he was “escaping from his responsibility”
What is the origin of the term SMED – Single Minute Exchange of Die?
What are the golf origins?
Should it have been called SDED – Single Digit Exchange of Die, since it means “single digit minutes” not “one minute”?
“It's too late”
You define TPS as “organisational fitness to adapt” rather than a set of methodologies — what do you mean by that? Please tell us more…
“Nobody ever told me what Toyota culture was” — the culture is the people
Is a fully automated plant the best plant? No
How has Toyota fared so well during the pandemic?
Helping the supplier reduce costs together, versus just demanding a lower price (Nissan, Tesla, etc.)
Favorite memories of our friend Norman Bodek?
Tell us more about the workshop
The podcast is sponsored by Stiles Associates, now in their 30th year of business. They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity and healthcare industries. Learn more.
This podcast is part of the #LeanCommunicators network.

About Mark Graban
Mark Graban is an author, speaker, and consultant, whose latest book, The Mistakes That Make Us: Cultivating a Culture of Learning and Innovation, is available now.
He is also the author of the award-winning book Lean Hospitals: Improving Quality, Patient Safety, and Employee Engagement and others, including Measures of Success: React Less, Lead Better, Improve More.
He serves as a consultant through his company, Constancy, Inc, and is also a Senior Advisor for the technology company KaiNexus.
Mark hosts podcasts, including “Lean Blog Interviews” and “My Favorite Mistake.”
Education: B.S. in Industrial Engineering from Northwestern University; M.S. in Mechanical Engineering, and M.B.A. from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Leaders for Global Operations Program.